BRSA Wind Turbine Project Halted by Union Beach Injunction
Delivery of the turbine components was scheduled to begin Monday
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The New Jersey Superior Court of Appeals issued an injunction Wednesday on behalf of Union Beach, halting construction of the Bayshore Regional Sewerage Authority's wind turbine.
Conti Group, which has been contracted by the BRSA to build the turbine, must not only stop construction but also begin to demobilize by removing their equipment and their crew, explained BRSA Executive Director Rober Fischer.
"Union Beach has filed an application for a restraint to stop the Authority from transporting and building the turbine. We received it yesterday and we're going to abide by it," Fischer said.
The turbine has been hotly contested by Union Beach and several bayshore municipalities. The Union Beach Planning Board struck down the BRSA's plans for the turbine which prompted the BRSA to file a suit against the municipality last year.
The court sided with the BRSA, and Union Beach filed an appeal, explained the municipality's attorney, Stuart Lieberman. Despite the appeal, which has not yet been decided, the BRSA began building the turbine. Union Beach filed the injunction, which was granted yesterday, at the beginning of July.
"We believe there was an error at the trial court. As far as we're concerned, once it's up, a lot of times it's hard to come down. This is a big, big thing. And as a matter of human life experience, everybody knows once this thing is up, it's going to stay up," Lieberman said.
Additionally, Lieberman noted, the cost of removing the turbine if it were built but then struck down by the court would be reflected in each municipality's sewerage rates.
Over the course of the project, the local governing bodies of Matawan, Aberdeen, Hazlet, Holmdel, Keansburg and Keyport have all passed resolutions opposing the turbine.
Matawan's resolution cites several issues with the turbine, including health and safety concerns, diminished property values, and a lack of transparency by the BRSA.
"[The borough] shares the concerns expressed by the residents and governing body [of Union Beach] particularly in light of what appears to be at best a limited effort by BRSA to reach out to residents of the Bayshore and a lack of transparency in this matter," the resolution stated.
According to Fischer, much of the construction has been done. All that is left is the delivery and assembly of the components.
"The base is already built. We're just waiting for the turbine components to be delivered. It would literally take two weeks to complete this project if they were delivered," said Fischer.
Delivery of the components was scheduled to begin on Monday, however the BRSA will have to continue to store the turbine components in Newark. Fischer noted that the ongoing legal battle is having a negative impact on projected savings to customers in 2013.
"By the time the project is built, close to the entire first year in savings will be taken up by the legal challenge," Fischer said. "We will not be able to decrease rates if the project [is delayed] beyond the end of the year, which is significant because we were able to reduce it by 18% last year."
According to Fischer, the turbine is expected to generate almot 50 percent of power needed to run the sewerage plant. Last year power to run the plant cost the BRSA about $800,000, he said.
"You hear a lot about government having to find ways to try and reduce costs and that's what were trying to do, along with reduce green house gas emissions," Fischer said. "This project is being done for all of the right reasons."
Many Union Beach residents, however, seem to disagree. Bill Heller, who lives about 1,900 feet from the turbine, is worried about the impact it will have on the identity of the community along with the impact it will have on the residents.
"It industrializes Union Beach," Heller said.
Since the planning for the turbine started in 2009, Heller has been vocal about his opposition to it. He even started noturbine.com, a site dedicated to gathering information and news articles about the effect wind turbines can have on communities. He said he has found research that shows the frequencies given off by turbines can lead to neurological side effects such as insomnia and restlessness.
Heller noted that he is doubtful the BRSA will even achieve their proposed cost savings.
"I think it's going to be a boondoggle," Heller said, contending that the necessary maintenance, such as replacing the blades in 10 to 12 years, and the fact that GE offers no warranty on the turbine, have not been factored in to the budget.
Until the courts decide whether or not the turbine can be built, both sides are at a standstill. Neither party knows when the appellate court will deliver their decision.
Herky
4:11 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Slogan : Progress in NEW Jersey, Yes! But not in my back yard
Marlboro Mann
4:50 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Ok, so we'll put it in your backyard since you believe that turbines are the greatest things since motherhood and apple pie.
Luann Goellner
4:55 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
I will assume you are not a resident of any of the communities involved. You should educated yourself in regards to Wind Turbines. I don't believe that anyone is against new ways to save on energy, but at what cost
EdD
5:12 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Is the BRSA operating in a vacuum? Look at what has gone on in Falmouth,MA, Portsmouth, Rhode Island,Vinalhaven,ME and many other towns that have gone this route as there are hundreds of examples. These monster machine make people sick and greatly reduce property values within 1 mile. This whole thing is crazy and the people in NJ should put a stop to it ASAP.
Grumpy19
6:46 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
How do wind turbines make people sick? Is it that they don't want their precious view blocked? then they have mental problems? Other places have blocked the turbines for esthetics only. Most that opposed them are the rich that don't want their view of the ocean blocked by anything.
Pat
1:54 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
And a Sewerage facility dont reduce property value??? It's an industrial area already... BRSA is not making it Industrial... Just adding to it for the sake of Saving money and Helping the enviroment....
mary54
3:48 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
Outside the fence it's a residential and wildlife (Conaskonk Point) area. The machine will be almost 400 feet high and dominate the neighborhood. Its noise may well destroy the health of hundreds of people. The economics of the machine have never been fully worked out and only deceptive stories about the savings have been published.
Gene Geer
5:42 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
This project has been ill-conceived from the start, but the BRSA stubbornly pushes ahead to get this giant, noisy machine installed. And, there is always a hint of deception in the pro-turbine comments. For example, the 18 percent noted in the article has nothing to do with savings expected from the turbine. At most, only about two to three percent per year (350 thousand dollars savings on a 14 million dollar budget) can be expected, but the larger number gives the false impression that ratepayers will get a nice reduction in their bills. They won't. The likely loss in property values will swamp any meager savings (if any) the generator will bring. And, people living close to the machine may see a deterioration in their health because of the low frequency noise that is generated. As noted, several towns and the county freeholders have expressed their opposition to the machine, and their judgements look better every day.
jerseyswamps
5:45 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Ocean Gate has 2 of them. When they are moving, which isn't often, [so what's the point] they are very noisy. ALL the homes near them have lawn signs protesting the wind turbines. If anyone thinks they are so wonderful go check them out.
gseascape
6:13 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Bill says what most UB residents feel.
Put one in Fishers back yard.
Rosemarie Kindon
6:31 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
As a resident of Ocean Gate, I urge you to visit when the turbines are on. In all the debate over wind turbines, there is only one constant - they do not belong in residential areas. How far away is that house where the photographer stood to take the picture of the crane? That is someone's home. Is their well-being any less valuable than that of the residents of Sea Girt who rallied successfully to head off installation of a wind turbine near their town?
bud
9:17 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Kudos to Bill Heller for helping to stop this monstrosity from going up. Very few people here realize the amount of hard work it takes to contest these types of projects. Ask anyone involved in a cell tower dispute. In the final analysis, certain politically connected individuals or groups make a profit from this type of endevour. If the BRSA simply switched to natural gas, they would be way ahead of the game. The poor slobs in Union Beach are already paying one state pension for a town engineer (See Asbury Park Data Universe). All the BRSA board members receive salary and benefits for "serving" their political patronage "jobs", while accumulating pension benefits. Christie killed one of these boards in NNJ, perhaps he should look into this one too?
E Z Monn
2:30 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Who?
Wilson
11:30 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012
Herky, you are welcome to come and buy my house and enjoy the wonderful wind turbine. I'm all about progress but not when it directly impacts someone's health and HARD EARNED money. Why didn't the BRSA consider something with minimal like solar. Yes it would not produce the same calculated yield as the wind turbine, but the SUN is much more predictable than the wind. And what's this about 18% saving? I saw an 35% increase in my bill this year. Also if there was savings this year, than it's obvious that it was not related to the Wind Turbine and goes to show that savings can be made without forcing something that everyone is against. Any additional savings realized from the Wind Turbine will likely go in the pocket of those in charge and not the people who will suffer.
Chelsea Naso
6:57 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Hi Wilson,
I actually asked Fischer that while I was speaking with him because I had wondered the same thing - why not solar panels so that the BRSA gets their savings and the residents are not impacted. He told me that they looked in to solar, but to achieve the necessary cost savings they would need about six acres of solid ground and a large portion of their property is wetlands, which means they would have to buy more land.
E Z Monn
2:47 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Buy your house??? Who the heck wants to live in Union Beach??? If I hear the word boondoggle from Heller one more time I'm going to cry. The governing body of Union Beach increased your rates last year. Not Brsa. Ask them. BRSA reduced them. FACT!!! Please know what your talking about and stop spreading untruths. It makes you appear stupid. Oops...sorry. Forgot you live in UB where the school district was ranked 495 out of 559 in the state in 2011. Hmmm??? Makes ya wonder!!!
Walter White
5:04 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
This is a reply to EZ Monn: Why do you know so much about UB ???? You know school stats, alleged BSRA facts and what Union Beach residents say. Also you have no desire to live here. THANK GOD we don't want you anyway :)) Why the hell do you care ???? I think you care because you work for the BSRA, the reason I think that is because nobody defends the BSRA except their own. One thing I know for sure you are coward........ you make statements and post with some lame screen name. Have some guts when you talk S#%t
Wilson
7:50 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
@Chelsea - Thank You for your constructive comment. I recall hearing the same at one of their meeting but to comparing solar to wind is quite different. Sun is fairly predictable vs wind. Also they have plenty of roof space on their buildings. Look at the innovative ways that the Memorial School of Union Beach integrate solar as canopies that can serve as dual function. It might not get all the cost savings they desire, but it would also receive less push back from the residents that they serve and impact the lives of others.
@E Z Monn - It's easy calling people names while hiding behind a screen name. Sure makes you mature and intelligent. Fact is BRSA issued a $454,000 supplemental bill to UB which was among the largest of all the town BRSA serves. I see no reduction there. UB is a small town and only has Memorial School. UB has a sending/receiving relationship with Keyport High School (ranked 249 / 322). Student also have choice to apply to Red Bank Regional High School (ranked 61 / 322). Ranking is based on NJ Monthly. I don't know where you pull you number from. For a small town, UB is doing alright, sure there can always be improvements. Also who compares a big city like Newark with a population of 277,000+ to a small town like UB with only a population of 6,000+? Now who appears stupid here. Oops but I'm not sorry about that. Not everyone is a lawyer or doctor and live in million dollar homes like the ones in Holmdel but we all have the same rights.
Katherine Ranuro
12:54 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
The wind industry/lobby is selling snake oil. Wind turbines do not come close to producing the projected kw hours, and by the time they are paid for, will no longer be operable. These machines do not belong anywhere near anyone's home. They are noisy, annoying, and dangerous. Come to my home in Ocean Gate to listen and see for yourself. Is it a coinidence that turbines only are constructed in communities that have low per capita incomes -- I think not!
Jim
8:14 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Your facts are countered by the reality of many successful Wind Turbine projects all over the US and the World. The aesthetics and danger to birds are legit arguments but you go too far claiming that wind does not pay for itself in energy savings. If the project is mishandled it might cost more then it saves, but in general when placed in a good area, wind turbines save money.
Bob
9:24 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
Jim without tax subsidies and forced purchase of excess power by the rate payers Wind Power is not economically viable.
Nick J
7:44 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
If it lessons our dependance on oil and the Middle Eastern Countries, I would gladly put in my back yard.
mary54
9:19 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Easy to say, but just a slogan. The reality is that people all over the world, after having wind turbines plopped down in their back yards, have had to abandon their homes because of the effects of the low frequency noise on their health. Is it worth it to ruin perhaps dozens, or maybe even hundreds, of lives in Union Beach to achieve, at the most, maybe a few percent savings in electricity costs? Many homes near this kind of machine have been simply abandoned because they became unsalable. This kind of situation, as it has occurred in other towns, may well split the people into two groups: one that has their health and property values destroyed, and the other who live far enough away so they are not impacted, and who think, erroneously, the machine is saving them money. What an ugly situation. The BRSA commissioners who have gone ahead with this project, after hearing so much good evidence against it, should be ashamed of themselves.
Bob
9:49 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
The Wind Turbine was built in China. It is only economically viable due to subsidies from the Tax payers and Rate payers. Wake up and stop repeating rhetoric from the Obama Green Energy Zombies. We have an abundant amount of clean cheap natural gas that is domestically produced that is a better alternative.
"Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are there upon absolved of any farther obedience."
John Locke
Nick J
9:59 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Its Union Beach Let it go!
Walter White
5:05 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Nick J not sure what that j stands for but I have a good idea !! With remarks like that you do not help sway people. You do in fact confirm the intelligent's of the people that think a 400ft industrial machine in a residential neighborhood is a good idea. The facts are the BSRA has no business placing such a huge machine in a residential area regardless !!!!
Maryann Matthews
11:01 am on Friday, July 20, 2012
Nick J,
I don't know where you live but I live in UNION BEACH and am opposed to it; maybe if you lived here you would feel the same way.
mary54
12:59 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
I took a look at minutes posted on the BRSA site (http://www.bayshorersa.com/meetings.html) for some of the meetings held there over the last year or so (the minutes only go to February, 2012, even though there have been several meetings since then) and found an interesting tidbit about Conti, the company that will deliver the wind generator parts. In the November, 2011 notes, someone noted that the Conti Internet site was claiming the machine was already built, and the question came up about possible fraud somewhere because public money has been allocated for construction. (Since then, someone has apparently fixed up the Conti site.) Lots of strange things going on with this project. Might be a good time for Union Beach residents to go down to the BRSA and ask them about getting copies of other documents that have been presented to them at the public meetings about the project.
E Z Monn
8:30 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
One thing about you Union Beachers puzzles me. You all get your panties in a bunch over a wind turbine that in my opinion is a good thing for all concerned but those whom are easily lead and believe everything they are told and can not and do not posess the ability to think for themselves are against it. But....where is the outrage over the failed school district in Union Beach??? As I stated in a previous post this school district was rated 495 out of 559 districts. The Newark school district is ranked higher for Gods sake. What gives with you folks??? Your priorities are ass backwards. Haven't heard a word from the mayor and council concerning this massive problem .We need to educate our children so they can think for themselves and make intelligent decisons unlike the anti turbine nonsence spewn here and move Union Beach out of the stone age. "best little town in New Jersey"??? You serious??? Save the children first...Union Beach is destroying their future...move if you must. Thats what you should be afraid of...not the damn turbine. Alternitive energy is part of their future. What the hell is more important!!!
mary54
12:06 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
The school performance rant is a red herring. The anti-turbine comments I've seen here are based on peoples' experiences all over the world. People living near these monstrous machines often suffer from the effects of low frequency (sub audio) noise, which leads to loss of sleep and poor health. Read some of the literature at noturbine.com for examples of what I'm talking about so you can be brought up to speed on the topic. The Monmouth County Freeholders opposed the proposed turbine based mainly on their view that nearby residents will take big losses in their property values. Having these machines five miles or so from houses is one thing, but putting them barely over a thousand feet away is another. You are very poorly informed.
Mike Hawk
7:43 am on Saturday, July 21, 2012
The low frequency noise is a ploy or a red herring. What are the reports saying about the BRSA's turbine in terms of this noise? Maybe our friend E Z is using it as a metaphor about us being uneducated in the field of IWT's. If noturbine.com is used as our only source of research the name says it all as it is a very bias site.
Bob
12:51 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
When you can't win a debate on it's merits you change the subject. Good try but very transparent.
ACE
3:59 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
This is an idiotic statement..I live in UB I hold an MBA and make six figures.
Mike Hawk
11:18 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012
Amazing how the big picture is being missed. We are funding both sides of the battle and are losing. Bill HELLer the Turbine Bounty Hunter is feeding all of us a bunch of one sided propaganda which is being purchased by the lost sheep hook, line and sinker. Many of his arguments are a larger pile of methane producing feces than the BRSA processes for us quarterly. The cracker jack prizes that Ocean Gate passes off as IWT's, which anyone who has done research, are not even close to what the BRSA says they purchased. I think we should get the BRSA to scrap the IWT and get a nice clean coal plant.
E Z Monn
4:42 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Couldn't agree with you more Mike. If this turbine isn't built the lawsuit against Union Beach from what I'm hearing could be in the $!0,000,000 or more range. In a town already threatening police layoffs and such. The legal costs alone would be astronomical.The coal plant idea is the way to go. There's enough coal in this country to last a couple of centuries as I'm sure you know. How long do you think it would take these environmental nut cases in Union Beach and the sorrounding area to mount a challenge to that??? Progress is a dirty word with these people. Worst then "COAL". In the end they and we will pay. But THEY...don't seem to get it.
Milton R.
1:37 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
Mr. Hawk, these links will give you a good idea of what industrial wind turbines the size of the one Union Beach may get sounds like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoVKP0G_f8M
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWyNfN9HJZk
I would urge you to watch the movie WINDFALL, available via Netflix, Amazon, Blockbuster and the like. It willgive you a good idea of what Union Beach is in for if the selfish and arrogant bosses at the sewer plant get their way. Here's the official trailer...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBYjZG8O6qE
And the sewer bosses better be prepared to buy out some home owners and compensate others. Denmark, a nation with a lot of wind turbines does as a matter of law. The sewer plant will never do this....
http://www.ens.dk/en-us/supply/renewable-energy/windpower/onshore-wind-power/loss-of-value-to-real-property/sider/forside.aspx
And the sewer plant bosses lied to the people of Union Beach when they had an artist do renderings of the wind turbine's visual impact. Here's the artist's rendering from the BRSA website vs. what one really looks like....
http://noturbine.com/links.htm
I don't know about any of you, but I would never consider buying a home close to an industrial scale wind turbine. And as for Ocean Gate, tthe nosie form their wind turbine was determined to exceed NJ law. It's a real problem there. And the bigger the turbine, the more low frequency noise it puts out simply because the industrial machine is that much bigger.
E Z Monn
1:49 pm on Saturday, July 21, 2012
@ Mr Wilson. Yes the $454,000 was a supplemental bill for surpassing UB's budgeted amout of useage. NJ had record rainfall last year (66 inches) total. The highest ever recorded in this state. Due to inflow and infiltration from your sewer pipes this I&I enters the system and is metered. Poor UB sewer pipes and illigal sump pump connections caused this to occur. You failed to mention Mr Wilson UB has received checks close to that amount for having been under their budgeted usage. However town officials don't make that public...do they??? They were also totally unaware the rainfall would make such a big differance and result in this huge supplemental bill. Whose fault is that BRSA??? No...The governing body of Union Beach!!! My school stats come from schooldigger.com. Use it... you my learn something about your state and not the NJEA biast NJ Monthly. Geez. Is that the best you can do and if your happy with sending the the young people from Memorial school to Keyport High with even that false rating you posted I rest my case. Stupid is as stupid does.Final point...how many students are fortunate enough to be selected to go to Red Bank Reg??? Maybe one or two..why???...they are not qualified!!! AND IT 'S NOT THEIR FAULT!!! It's the fault of people like you and the governing body of Union Beach who are content with the status quo. Hey Mr Wilson...why no mention of the Memorial School ranking??? I wonder why? You ask the question "now who appears stupid here".. Still you
E Z Monn
4:27 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
@Margaret j. Rose. I'm sorry if my posts make you feel intellectually challanged. I was not splitting issues but simply makeing a corrillation between those posting in this forum and the level of education of those posting so one can draw their own conclusions concerning the reliability and truthfullness of those posts. Thats all. Everyone needs to realize most of these anti turbine individuals posting here are nowindturbine zombies being prompted by Bill(I need attention)Heller and Lou( I am the smartest person in Union Beach)Andruezzi. You people are so easily lead it makes you appear weak to be not very bright. Your request for me to stop posting on this forum would be considered censorship by most people of even minimal intelligence. Possibly even communism. Are you a communist Margaret??? Is this how you react when someone opposes your point of view??? In your perfect world everyone will agree with you and those of your ilk. Maybe even in "Union Beach the best little town in New Jersey" but not here Margaret. Crawl back in your shell perform a reality check. No one said you were stupid. But if you feel you are...far be it from me to argue the point..
Walter White
6:31 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
EZ MONN
Why do you know so much about UB ???? You know school stats, alleged BSRA facts and what Union Beach residents say. Also you have no desire to live here. THANK GOD we don't want you anyway :)) Why the hell do you care ???? I think you care because you work for the BSRA, the reason I think that is because nobody defends the BSRA except their own. One thing I know for sure you are coward........ you make statements and post with some lame screen name. Have some guts when you talk S#%t
E Z Monn
5:10 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
@ Margaraet Rose. One more thing. You tell me to look at the recent past and sitting members of the school board and question their intelligence. Not questioning their intelligence only their performance. How can you possibly say something like that? They have accomplished nothing and yet you defend them. How can you defend the indefenseable!!! This what I mean by being intellectually challengened. One can only assume the failed school district of Union Beach is acceptable to you and your like. Classify yourself as a part of the problem. Obviously you'll never be part of the solution. You talk about someone making a fool of themselves!!! Do you feel any shame??? Geez unbelievable!!!
Charles E. Hoffman. Jr.
7:51 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012
I find all of this "assault" on the U.B. Educational program by the IWT proponents as just another smoke screen trying to divert attention away from the Public Health aspects of the proposed IWT Installation. In a paper presented to the NY State Legislature in 2006 & her book in 2009/10 Dr N. Pierpont noted that large IWT sited close to schools impact negatively on the learning processess/skills of children. The World Health Organization (WTO) recommended back in the early 2000's that large IWT be sited NO CLOSER THAN 1.25 miles (6,600 ft) from residential areas. If the negative statements about the Memorial School are correct, then the proponents for the IWT are openly lobbying to exacerbate that problem because the school is ONLY some 4,200+ ft from the IWT site. My two ltrs to the School Supervisor (cc the Mayor),a ltr to Gov, and a ltr to the NJ Public Health agency, which was deemed "too hot to handle", was seconded to the NJ DEP, which has never even acknowledged it existance. The BRSA championed legal "Gag Order" on the U.B. governing body prevented it from taking any of this material before the BRSA Ratepayers and/or the people of U.B. Do you, the Public realize that the BRSA actually went into court demanding that the U.B. gov remove a reference to the website noturbine.com from the Community Bulletin Board, and to prevent the seating of a new U.B. Commissioner. Anything to prevent full disclosure in this matter.The court found in favor of U.B. gov in both cases.
E Z Monn
11:31 am on Friday, July 27, 2012
Does this mean the situation at Memorial School will get worse if the turbine is erected??? OMG is that possible??? Tell me Charles...exactly what is the reason for this school districts poor performance NOW!!! Turbines not up yet!!!
Mike Hawk
5:53 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Milton,
Thank you for sharing the video's. After additional research I have found out the two YouTube videos are not the same make as the IWT BRSA has purchased. (GE versus Vestas) So to compare them to the BRSA turbine may not be fair.
Next the Windfall movie, this should be in the fiction category. First they are taking the opinions of the land owners who are not getting paid for production. Second the land owners that are getting paid, well they are not getting paid the market rate as the developer signed them up for less then favorable contracts. I don't think you will find this information public as I am sure they all signed agreements to not disclose this info.
Next the BRSA managers did not lie. I bet that is what the turbine will look like if ever built. Again with more data points you will see that it is all perspective and what surroundings are in the picture.
Since we are sharing links take a look at what I have found:
http://www.altenergymag.com/news/2012/06/05/180-iowa-citizens-purchase-ge-wind-turbines-to-support-local-farm-community-energy-needs/24928
Citizens of a small town pouring their hard earned money to help their town as well as get rewarded for their investment.
Shame on The BRSA to take action to lower our sewer bills by using free energy by way of the wind. Shame on The BRSA to try and offset greenhouse gasses by reducing their demand on fossil fuels.
As far as Ocean Gate I think those Chinese noise makers should go!
mary54
9:51 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
As far as comparing the two makes of generators, I think loss of property value is determined mostly on size. So, since the two machines look pretty much alike, there will be big losses in either case.
The referenced article didn't mention how far away residences will be from the generators. In Union Beach, the machine will be something like 1100 feet, plus or minus, from the closest homes, and there will be many, many houses within the 1.25 mile (two kilometer, 6600 feet) minimum set back recommendation that has general consensus around the world.
Venture Guy
9:37 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
What an awful place to put an Industrial Wind Turbine. up to a couple years ago this would not have been allowed in a costal zone...but quietly they changed the law to allow these 40 story industrial towers. The 5 Industrial Wind Turbines kill over a bird a day including endangered Peregrin Falcons and Osprey. In California 10% of the Golden Eagle population is killed every year by Indsutrial Wind Turbines. The capacity factor of industrial wind turbines are always stated. Check out this article from the head of a major renewable power company in Germany...'I give you so much money, but you bring back too little, what's going on?
http://saveourseashore.org/?p=2116
Venture Guy
9:40 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
If you follow Industrial wind turbines affects on people in Falmouth, MA, Austriala, Vinalhaven...BRSA will be in lawsuits for years costing more than any savings and probably have to purchase a number of nearby houses...this is an issue that doesn't go away.
Venture Guy
9:48 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Or lets look at the mechanical failures(Gearbox) of turbines which eat up all those savings. Estimate $250,000-$1,500,000 in one town http://portsmouth.patch.com/articles/live-town-council-meeting-of-july-9-2012 .. Gearboxes need to replaced about once every 8 years if you are lucky...I am sure BSRA didn't forecast this...but that is typical.
Bill Heller
10:23 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Mike....I just walked out onto the jetty at Union Bach where the photo for the artist's rendering was taken. The crane on the BRSA property, which is at about 180 - 200 feet, is a heck of a lot larger than what is supposed to be a 386-foot tall wind turbine with blades each the size of the Union Beach cell towers. The crane sits at the turbine site. I will take a photo of it tomorrow and post it to www.noturbine.com. In my humble opinion, the BRSA did this to deliberately mislead the public and sate officials, and it amounts to criminal fraud. They even have a small model of the sewer plant in their office with their planned wind turbine on it. They used to have a smaller one there than they do now, but many of us complained and they switched it our to be more true to scale. I'm still not sure if it is to scale.
As for Vestas vs, GE, they both pretty make the same kind and amount of noise. Here are a couple of links to the same model UB would get...they're loud. Have your speakers on when you go to the websites. And once again folks, it's the very low frequency sound pressure waves below 20 cycles which you cannot hear that cause the most problems. They are many times louder than what you can hear. They occur when mainly when each blade passes the tower and the air pressure intensifies in the space between them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InENMEd0sBM
http://www.wind-watch.org/ww-noise-health.php
bud
12:27 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Depending on the amplitude of the sound waves below 20 HERTZ, they can easily shake apart a brick wall. It can be easily demonstrated. Even at lower amplitudes, and enough cycles, it will also shake apart a structure. Try visiting the IEEE website for further information on this phenomena. Ever see a bridge fall down? Hertz are for newbies under 60, Cycles are for senior citizens!
Bill Heller
10:37 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Mike, I’d like to add that the link you posted is to a wind and solar industry trade magazine, about as slanted as you get. Plus at the bottom of the article, GE gets the kind of plug that indicates it was a GE PR placement. Try these links from the likes of the NY Times and Huffington Post instead....both are anything but conservative rags.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/06/business/energy-environment/06noise.html?_r=1&hp
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/24/wind-power-noise-pollution-maine_n_866182.html
And if industrial wind turbines do not kill local home values, why then is it that In places like Denmark, no stranger to wind turines, it’s the law that homeowners must be compensated for loss-of-value. The BSRA will never guarantee home values:
http://www.ens.dk/en-us/supply/renewable-energy/windpower/onshore-wind-power/loss-of-value-to-real-property/sider/forside.aspx
And the UK is finally admitting the common-sense truth...Wind farms can bring down property prices:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9418617/Wind-farms-do-bring-down-property-values.html
Wind farms can cause property blight to nearby homes: (Reprint from UK Sunday Times)
http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2012/07/22/council-tax-cut-for-homes-near-wind-farms/
E Z Monn
11:38 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Key words here are WIND FARMS!!! Your words not mine! One wind turbine does not constitute a wind farm Bill. Please stop with the misinformation and save it for www.noturbine.com
mary54
2:16 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
In the second last referenced url (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/9418617/Wind-farms-do-bring-down-property-values.html ) the statement:
"However the following year Jane Davis won a discount on her council tax because her £170,000 home had been rendered worthless by a turbine 1,000 yards away. "
was made. So, a single turbine, 3000 feet (1000 yards) away, caused a big drop in property value and made the person's house unsalable. There will be hundreds of homes within 3000 feet of the BRSA wind turbine. What will happen to those? Case closed. I'll go with noturbine.com.
Venture Guy
10:40 pm on Sunday, July 22, 2012
Here are items from Maine on Wind Turbines titled "The Answer is Not Blowing In the Wind" http://www.portlanddailysun.me/index.php/newsx/local-news/7311-the-crash-report-the-answer-is-not-blowing-in-the-wind
Walter White
9:07 am on Monday, July 23, 2012
One thing is for sure........ some of the people posting work for the BSRA. You know way to much about a waste water treatment plant. And if you don't work there you might want to look into a hobby!! :))
E Z Monn
11:31 am on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
No...sorry but I don't work for BRSA Walter. As usual you are wrong but I certainly understand and feel your pain. However I do have an affiliation with the NJDEP. It's amazing how anyone who opposes the antiturbine crowd works for BRSA. No Walter...we're just people who have the ability to think for themselves and not so easily lead by lies and deciet as you are. As far as a hobby goes I currently have one. Watching my country being destroyed from within by millions of poorly informed individuals like youself and some others posting here.
Walter White
8:18 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Who the heck wants to live in Union Beach??? EZ MONN That was from your previous post :/ sounds to me like you don't want to live in Union Beach ??? SO LEAVE.........NJDEP ok that explains it.......... the other knuckleheads that waste our money on such a bright decision !!!!!! BTW watching a country is not a hobby, but I guess since you went to Memorial and your education is limited you did not know that :)) Maybe night school for spelling will include a list of hobbies.
Venture Guy
2:08 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
I wouldn't want to work near one of these...they collaspe http://pandorasboxofrocks.blogspot.com/2011/02/holy-cracking-concrete.html
or the debris or ice fly off http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Wind-Turbines-Damaged-in-Ohio-148816585.html
Venture Guy
3:46 pm on Monday, July 23, 2012
After a lot of evidence, complaints and consideration the state of New South Wales in Australia passed a law that Industrial Wind Turbines should be at least 1.25 miles from homes... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/8975571/Australian-state-launches-worlds-toughest-wind-turbine-laws.html
Denmarks largest Electric company stopped building Industrial Wind Turbines on land because of how much it disturbed people. http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2010/09/01/dong-gives-up-on-land-based-turbines-mass-protests-mean-the-energy-firm-will-look-offshore/
Canada just started a research project on Industrial Turbine Noise because people complained so much when they were near their homes.
Look up Falmouth Mass...where there is an ongoing battle from residents when 2 industrial turbines were erected. Or Vinalhaven Mass where they are suing the local power company.
Bill Heller
12:08 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
E Z Monn..."WIND FARMS" cause many problems because they are made up of individual industrial-scale wind turbines. The world over, single improperly-sited industrial wind turbine installations cause the same issues for people living close by as multi-turbine installations do. The BSRA has tried using the single turbine argument in the past to try to defend what they are attempting to do, but that argument is a false one. You seem to have a lot of disdain for Union Beach outside of this argument from what you say in some of your comments. Well I live here, love this town, and will continue to try to defend it from Windzilla.
E Z Monn
2:06 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
Glad you saw fit to clarify your misguided statement. Anyone can search the web to find some environmental wacko to agree with their interpretation of the truth as you have done time and time again. You cannot possibly argue one turbine has the same detramental effect as a Wind Farm and expect anyone to believe you. All who post here are not idiots. I never once stated I didn't live in Union Beach. Simply wrote who would want to! Why the heck do you think I have an interest in the turbine project and the education of the children of Union Beach. Disdain???not hardly...dissapointment??? absolutly. This project could have ended 31/2 years ago. All the boro politicos had to do was inform BRSA they had concerns over this project. They didn't. The project was allowed to proceed to a point of no return when a couple of million dollars had already been invested. The excuse the UB governing body used was things progressed to quickly. Truth is they were totally and completly unprepaired. Whos fault is that BRSA? You want to lay blame...put it on them... I do! My priority is getting a good educatioin for our children. Thats not happening in Union Beach. But as you stated you love this town so I guess your content with that otherwise you wouldn't. Sound pressure waves below 20 cycles that I can't hear...are many times louder then those you can??? Now theres a statment in contradictions. After the turbine is built make you next project "Save the children of Union Beach" I will join you.
Eric Slocum
4:21 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
I've been looking over comments to the article, and find some of yours puzzling. For example, you seem to be saying that only multiple wind turbines can cause problems, but a quote from the British article shows that one turbine can destroy property values. This has also been the case elsewhere. You talk about environmental wackos, but many of these people are for wind turbines, under the mistaken impression they will reduce the amount of carbon dioxide we are generating. You confuse environmentalism (I strongly believe man is destroying the planet, through the burning of fossil fuel and habitat destruction) with people who are concerned about their health, and loss of property values. The UB board may very well have been unprepared, since it takes some time to look over the literature to see what's happening around the world. Much study is going on the negative effects of low frequency (inaudible) sound on the human body, so I don’t see how you can so blithely dismiss it. And, it looks like much of what BRSA said, and used as "evidence" in support of the turbine was half-truths and deceptions. I don't think the project is past the point of no return. All the BRSA has to do is say something to the effect that since so many people, and political bodies, are against the project, and evidence uncovered since we first proposed the project is mainly negative, we have decided to cancel it. Very simple.
Bob
12:58 am on Wednesday, July 25, 2012
E Z Monn, I question your education? Your grammar is horrendous!
Venture Guy
5:57 pm on Tuesday, July 24, 2012
EZ please explain why the entire state of New South Wales in Australia passed a law declaring that one turbine can't be built closer than 1.25 miles. I can cite you problems in 15 different states in the USA, Australia, Japan, Germany, Holland, Canada, Spain, Denmark, Scotland, England, Ireland and more.... Please explain why all those countries and states have problems when they build closer than 1.25 miles? One Turbine that is 40 stories high next your house is a BIG problem. BSRA...is going to be the loser in this...as when you screw with people's houses...they will go to the mat. Follow the multiyear struggles in Falmouth, MA or Vinalhaven, ME. The people don't get use to them...they either get bought out or abandon their homes, or shut the turbine down and they SUE SUE SURE. Watch this video from Canada and see how it affected this women...does she seem crazy? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-sRfgwPgAQ The officials told her their would be no problem.
E Z Monn
8:22 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
@ Eric Slocum...No thats not what I said. Common sense dictates multiple turbines would cause more quality of life issues, if any, then a single turbine. Simple enough Eric??? One quote from a British artical shows a signle turbine can destroy property values??? One quote??? Thats it and you saw fit to use this to give your arguement credibility??? To make the statment carbon dioxide will not be reduced is a total and complete lie!!! Possibly not to extent advertised by the greenees but a reduction none the less and you know this!!! I agree man is destroying our planet
with the excessive use of fossil fuels. Turbines do what??? decrease that use. There were no health or property value issues untill you and yours scared the s*** out of these residents with the nonsense they were exposed to by people like Heller and Andreuzzi. There is also a council member who was pro turbine but in order to get selected to a seat on the council had to change her position. That doesn't sit right with me and shouldn't with anyone. Political manipulation to furthure your cause. The Union Beach councils education as to what was going on in the world as far as turbines are concerned happened on a single night a few years ago when Andreuzzi paraded his environmental nut job buddies before them and they bought into it like the good little followers they are. As you stated much study is going on concerning low frequency noise..then why has Heller already concluded its a health issue???Geez
E Z Monn
8:46 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
@Bob... Didn't change the subject Boob...only added to it. No at all transparent ...it's only your inability to comprehend two subjects at a time and also to deal with the truth. Sorry about the spelling...LOL
Bob
10:13 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
Hey EZ Monn. Not only did you change the subject because you can't articulate a successful counter argument but you show your lack of good character by using personal insults. This is a technique used by people who don't have the mental facillities to compete in civil debate.
E Z Monn
12:05 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
First of all Bob you questioned my education which is a direct assult on my intelligence so who was the first to show por character??? Huh Bob??? Secondly I believe I've made counter arguement clear and simple. I wise the turbine to be built as soon as posible and that Heller, Andreuzzi and their ilk have perpetuated lies and deceit on a very ill informed and easily mislead public, mayor and council. There are 6,000,000,000 people on this planet Bob. It's very easy to find a handful of them who will agree with you as in this case. Does that make it the truth NO!!! But as I said you can't or just won't deal with the truth. Don't blame you though. Not all of us can be leaders as opposed to those chosen to follow. Lastly...You see Bob your still hurling insults in my direction. Now questioning my mental facillities And dragging poor Margaret J Rose into the gutter with you. Are you husband and wife or just two individuals who need direction???
Margaret J. Rose
10:39 am on Saturday, July 28, 2012
Very well put!!! A wonderful response by a SKILLED and articulate person. Thank you for putting his string of non-sequitur in a perfect perspective...
E Z Monn
2:26 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
"non sequitur" That was a tough one Margaret J Rose. Had to look it up. Your attempt to display your intellectual superiority to us all has been noted and accepted. Giving the possible reason, as being poorly educated, to explain why Heller and Andreuzzi have amassed the following they have, is hardly changing the subject or being transparent in my world of free thought and speech. I never questioned your intelligence only your common sense and thought process. Or are you just a progressive liberal and theres no hope for you. A little something about your Bill Heller. Whenever a "favorable artical to his cause" appears in the Asbury Park Press he notifies his Zombies in advance of those articles. A friend told me no notice was forthcoming from Mr Heller in regards to yesterdays press article. I wonder why??? not so favorable maybe??? and you people call me transparent. Hes making fools of you. But...
Venture Guy
1:55 pm on Monday, July 30, 2012
Here are some studies on real estate values effect from wind turbines http://www.northnet.org/brvmug/WindPower/RealEstate.html
bud
12:20 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
Bill Heller for Mayor!!! Good job Bill, keep up the good fight! How about heading up the NJ EPA under Gov. Christie? One stiplulation, you must promise to fire all the deadbeats on your first day on the job. Cleaning up the BRSA can be done on day 2.
E Z Monn
1:36 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
If your talking about the New Jersey Environmental Protection Agency "NJ EPA", there is no such thing...DEP regulates at state level. So yes let him go run that non existant entity. I'll bet he'll do well there but I doubt if Gov. Christie would have anyhing to do with him as displayed by the govenors total non responce to Heller and his zombies cries for help in an attemt to undermine the turbine project. The only political power he wields is over Union Beaches current mayor and council. Heller for mayor???Would he want to take over a town he helped bankrupt???
Margaret J. Rose
4:18 pm on Thursday, August 9, 2012
What is your real name?
Bill Heller
2:42 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
E Z Monn...you said, "Whenever a "favorable artical to his cause" appears in the Asbury Park Press he notifies his Zombies in advance of those articles." Your friend must have an email with "scorpion" in it. I did send out the APP story to all but that email address. Whoever that person is, and I have a good idea, tried to email me as if they were not involved in the turbine fight. He/she didn't fool me and I'm sure he/she was not fooled by my reply. Pretty petty stuff. And as for your comments slamming me, THANK YOU!!!!! You're doing me a favor.
E Z Monn
7:46 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Bill you say my friend tried to email you as if they were not involved in the turbine fight but he/she didn't fool you. I have personnally seen two emails from you to he/she. Are you once again not speaking the truth Bill??? I honestly don't know or care what email address he/she used to contact you. You call it petty stuff...I call it a strong effort by a resident to inform fellow Beachers of whats really going on here and whose responsible. Now you say you have a good idea who my friend is...then why did you use the he/she referance twice Bill??? If you know who this individual is...there should be no reason for you to do that. Would there Bill??? Not speaking the truth again??? Not slamming you Bill... exposing you for what you are. I will say this Bill you are a leader...but that isn't saying much of your followers. I'm doing you a favor??? Don't think so Bill. I wouldn't draw that conclusion from seeing your reaction to my last post. You seem upset Bill. BTW...YOU WELCOME
Bob
10:49 pm on Friday, August 3, 2012
@ E Z Monn, What is "por"? I'm not aware of that word in the english language. "I wise the turbine..." More poor english and languge skills. If you're going to engage in insuling a towns educational system please do so in a literate way.
E Z Monn
6:55 am on Saturday, August 4, 2012
Bob...What is "insuling"?...More poor english and language skills. If your going to engage in INSULTING someones education please do it in a literate way. We all make mistakes...RIGHT BOB!!! Your a joke and you just made my case in that reguard.
Walter White
10:04 am on Tuesday, August 7, 2012
EZ Monn or should I call you Frank stop already you are the only one on this post for this stupid turbine!!!! Does it not strike you funny that nobody is on your side except maybe a skinny secretary and a $hit plant ???? If you are so into a 400ft industrial machine go move to AC and live out your last five with a slot machine and your beloved turbine :))
E Z Monn
1:50 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Walter you appear to be a bit slow so I'll repeat myself one last time. Plesase try to comprehend what I say. I do not work for BRSA. I am not Frank Wells...do I know him...yes. You insult a skinny secrecary for no apparent reason. Totally uncalled for. To insist all who disagree with you and the chosen one "Bill boondoggle Heller" discontinue posting here and leave is totalitarianism in its worst form. Is that your America Walter??? Your posts sound somewhat childish, very much immature and often times ranting. But I understand. You need direction. I'm very much surprised Heller hasn't demanded "YOU" stop posting here for you are making a fool out of yourself and his cause... and his cause means everything to him and nothing or no one else matters.
E Z Monn
2:09 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
@ACE...CONGRATULATIONS!!!! I'M IMPRESSED!!!! You live in Union Beach...and you hold an MBA...and you make six figures...and your point is????
Chelsea Naso
4:42 pm on Friday, August 10, 2012
Hello everyone!
Two things:
1. Please keep comments civil, we're all neighbors.
2. Union Beach won their appeal today. Read more about it here: http://patch.com/A-wQts
Walter White
9:10 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Insult you speak of what the .......... you have done nothing but!!!! 82 posts and you are the only pro turbine guy??? Who else could it be ????? and who said Wells????Have a nice day Frank :)
E Z Monn
1:18 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Walter on August 7th at 10:04 am you referred to me as Frank. Do you read what you write??? You are embarrassing yourself. Your not helping your cause. I feel bad for you.
Margaret J. Rose
9:37 am on Sunday, August 12, 2012
Frank Wells.
E Z Monn
1:40 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Please Margaret J Rose...although I completly disagree with you I do have respect for you. Don't put yourself in the same category as Walter White in believing everyone who is pro turbine works for the BRSA. Walter has problems. No I am not Frank Wells. As I have said in a previous post I do know him but haven't seen him in two years and I do not work for the BRSA. Open your mind to all the facts Margaret. Not just Bill Hellers. Eventually I will tell you who I am when this turbine issue has been completly resolved. That could take some time. As far as the my remarks concerning the Union Beach school district and that something needs to be done...you know I'm right. Better educated individuals make better decisions. was my implication. They are not that easily lead and think for themselves.
Eric Slocum
4:47 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
E-Z Monn, you make the statement: "Better educated individuals make better decisions. was my implication. They are not that easily lead and think for themselves." Too bad we can't say that about the people who run BRSA. They were given a set of industry-generated documents that supposedly proved that the noise created by the generator would not cause illnesses in the people living close to the machine, and that property values would not take a big hit. At that point they became almost stooges (can't think of another word to describe it) for the wind industry because they would not listen to what other, often better informed, people had to say. They became like the lemmings that follow the leader and fall off cliffs, defying court orders, and acting like they were going to build the machine no matter what anybody said. Yes, stubborn stooges seems to fit the bill here.
Milton R.
5:00 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
Eric...so true, you nailed it. Also, I've said this before in the comments and it's worth repeating. As a realtor I can assure you a client will never say, "We're looking for a 3/2 with a nice family room, a large master bath, a deck large enough for dining, and a lovely view of a 40-story industrial wind turbine. We were skiing up in Canada and the woosh woosh from the wind turbine there was so relaxing at night." Stop the Union Beach wind turbine and put it 1,000 feet from E Z Monn's house...see how she likes it.
E Z Monn
8:29 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
I actually think we CAN say that about some of the people who run BRSA. Fischer being one of them. I'm sure they were given these industry generated documents you speak of...thats common practice, and since there were no laws on the books from the NJDEP, EPA or anyone else prohibiting the construction of the turbine where it will be located, aside from your so called better informed environMENTAL wingnuts, they proceeded. From what I can hear and read they followed the rule of law and did everything asked of them by the courts and the sorrounding towns involved in the delivery of the components. I have never had a problem with the service they provide but I do take issue with the way the flow from Union Beach is metered but that was the way it was set up from the birth of the BRSA. If you want to blame them ok but blame the UB governing body at that time also. The zoning map is wrong. You cannot dispute that. A sewage authority in a residental zone. I think not. Union Beach also has the Monmouth County Bayshore Outfall Authority in a residental zone. Someone made an expensive mistake or...it was done intentionally. There was a new council member in 2008, when the zoning was altered, who was strongly associated with the planning/zoning board and had strong ties to various environMENTAL groups at that time and was very much against the turbine project. Was there criminal intent here??? Can't think of his name right now. Hmmm
Milton R.
5:04 pm on Tuesday, August 14, 2012
And here's a ling to a list of recent peer reviewed articles and studies on the negative health impacts from the low frequency noise from industrial scale wind turbines. The more the public knows, the more home values plumet near industrial wind installations. I dare E Z Monn to read these if she can read. http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/peer-reviewed-articles-regarding-adverse-health-effects-of-industrial-wind-turbines/
E Z Monn
7:37 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Yes Milton...she can read a little...but only English. But what is a "ling and a "plumet" ??? and I wouldn't mind having the turbine 1000 feet from my home. The closer the better. Some of us gals have guts. There was another word I was going to use but you probably never heard of them so...
Walter White
8:48 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
EZ Monn you stink on ice!!! Come out and speak in public to support your beloved 400ft turbine. Most of the people posting here are at many meetings you on the other hand have never went to one. Hide behind that screen with your fake name and coward approach. Sorry if you are not Frank just figured you live in UB and are pro turbine there is only one person that I KNOW !!!!!!!! OH maybe you are Kathy but then you said you do not work for the BS'RA. You can't be that difficult to find, pro turbine support in UB is very very limited. LOL
Walter White
9:10 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
EZ MONN You know way to much about all this and had to be involved with the planning board and BSRA at some point!! HINT HINT Residential & Industrial Zoning for a S%#T plant who would know this unless they have no life or get paid for it ?????? OR MAYBE TRYING TO PROTECT YOUR HOME!!!!! Please stop you are not doing your cause any good. The fact is when you keep telling yourself a lie long enough you actually start believing that it is the truth!!! BSRA comissioners and directors have this problem for sure!!!!!!!
E Z Monn
10:37 am on Wednesday, August 15, 2012
Calm down Walter...anyone with a little common sense and half a brain would know a S%#T plant would not be zoned residential. With the exception of you of course. I know it's early but go have another drink and relax Walt.