How about those who play by the rules of OUR COUNTRY, wait their turn and do things the right way? We have just told them they are not very clever.....better to break our laws and we will reward you. Where is your sense of justice?

I neglected to mention...that once again President Obama has bypassed Congress and passed an Executive Order. This supposedly clever man continually bypasses Congress....I don't think he ever learned that there are THREE branches of Government...our system of Checks & Balances to make certain that we don't become a third world dictatorship. I think President Obama should return to the classroom and study American History.

Sorry Ramblin', I haven't seen too many people playing by the rules of our country and at the head of the list is all of our banks and creepy bosses who think that when they pay you $9 hour they are doing a good deed. By the way, Pres. Bush was FAMOUS for bypassing the laws of our nation and Congress. Remember those warantless wiretaps and Guantanemo Bay prisons with no due process or have you forgotten that.

I love the illegals who have been here for years and NEVER LEARNED THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!!!!!!!!!!!

I know just where you could put Obama gjc. What it ist about rule of law you and your dictator don't get? You keep all the illegals and support them. And what is it with the "little Johnie" racist remark? Little Johnie will probably be supporting do nothings for his entire life in taxes that will befall him. Legal immigration is what this Country is about. Why didn't Obama do this in the beginning of his term. If you are lost for an answer, I will tell you, it is nothing more than an election ploy! It isn't permanent, it is an election maneuver because he is sinking like the Titanic!

We don't care who they outshine and I'm all for these kids getting an education and great jobs. But, Obama did it because he wants the Latino vote and that's it. I want Obama to concentrate on the Student Loan problem. How about our American kids born and raised here along with there families..It seems like we are the forgotten people lately!

I hate to tell you this but half of Americans can't read, write or speak English. Listen to a few converstions and read a few posts and you will get my drift.

Linda, "Little Johnie" isn't a racist remark. It references the bratty little middle class American kids who don't have a clue about working hard. They can't support themselves let alone others but they do know how to play with X-Box and text. As I said before, Obama worked hard in the beginning of his term to pass the most important legislation - national health insurance. He could have passed legislation on immigration but the Republicans stonewalled it.

I don't know about you Bo, I expect nothing more from a Chicago thug!

And Obama has inadvertently created jobs: immigration lawyers and agencies will be inundated with calls and will have to hire more workers to answer the phones and fill out applications. And guess who will get these jobs? Bilinguals will benefit.
And how can an applicant prove that they don't have a record, etc., when they are undocumented? What a mess this is going to be when some will gain from this fraudulently.

I know landscapers that pay $65.00 a day sun up to sun down Illegals are the only guys that will work for that .

Seems you spend a great deal of time here defending yourself and ballbbering foolishly. Maybe you are one of those do-nothings dwelling in mommy's basement.

What makes you think that congress should do something? Maybe they are satisfied with the laws the way they are. Under current law illegal immigrants should be caught and sent back to the country they came from. Maybe congress and the majority of legal citizens in this country think that is what should be done. Just because the president and the left wing liberals want to change the law doesn't mean congress needs to do something.

Do a little research....five Democrats also voted against the Dream Act......if they would have voted yes, the Dream Act would have passed!

Five Democrats vs. how many Republicans??? Sorry, the failure of the Dream Act is solely a conservative attack.

I assume you are aware that Obama had the full Congress for the first TWO years of his term....A Democratic Senate and a Democratic House....he could have passed much of the legislation then BUT HE DIDN'T...and now all he does is whine and tries to say he "would have but THEY blocked him".....No, bottom line....He is ineffective; perhaps he can run a classroom but he certainly is not prepared to run a Country.

Just like any president in history, one must pick and choose those issues that are most important. While the Dream Act was and is important, the health care act was far more important. Pres. Obama successfully focused all his energies on that program first. Since then, he also successfully waged war against dumb things like Don't ask, don't tell. No matter how good a leader a president is, you can't do everything all at once especially when you have Republicans, conservatives and tea folks blocking you every step of the way. The only thing the Republicans have accomplished besides blocking Obama is to extend tax cuts for the rich.

Go Mitch! That is what keeps me breathing!

Linda you need to get a life then....

Thank you Anna for coming to our Country the legal way. I can only imagine how disappointing it must be to see those who bypass our laws be rewarded.

What is insulting is that it took 11 years. Thing is many persons who come from India, do so at first on a H1-B visa. I worked on a floor in 1999 full of men and women from India on H1-B visas working on Y2K issues. They knew Cobol programming something not even taught here anymore. What many so called illegals bring is cheap labor. That is a total 180 from many of the workers who come here from India to work in IT jobs. So you maybe insulted, but there is also factors like poor economic conditions in Central America that draw people here... conditions exacerbated by USA protectionist trade policies.. so maybe have a bit more understanding and a little less righteousness. yeah?

what the world needs now is more empathy and less hate.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, Obama had a Democratic majority in the Congress (both the Senate and the House) for the first TWO years of his term. He could have passed any legislation he chose.....Do some research...You will see I am correct. This ploy is all about votes....
Obama promised to restore the respect of the world to the USA.....instead they look at us as amateurs.....He just doesn't have what it takes to lead this Country....He did not have the experience to run for President and the Democrats never should have allowed it. He is way out of his depth.....

Rose, not true... There was never a true majority.

We have become a corporate Government ...Where else can a corporate entity have human status and pay no taxes but the average working man must pay 1/2 his wages to taxes ...of some sort ...the man behind the curtain will never be seen

That's exactly the issue. It wasn't a press conference and even if it was, legitimate press people know to wait until after the president speaks to ask questions. That guy was just plain rude and wanted to make a name for himself.

He is a spineless fool! The ONLY BARRY CARES ABOUT IS BARRY! He is hell bent on keeping his ride, known as Air Force One! He is an incompetent fool who couldn't run a lemonade stand.

How is letting lawbreakers escape punishment doing right ?????? Where in your liberal mind is it ok to violate our soviegnty of our borders ????????????

Since when are babies lawbreakers? That's what we're talking about here. Kids, children & babies.

Look at the comment from Anna K. She says it all.....We have friends who have been waiting over 5 years to come into this Country legally...and now they see that if they had only broken our laws and come in through the back door they would be citizens.
And we have just told everyone else who wants to come to the USA without abiding by our laws that they should come and bring their babies because they would be allowed to stay.. This is not about jobs or votes or money....this is about right vs. wrong. What these parents did is wrong....it violates the rights of those who are waiting in line and proceeding through the process that we, America, set up as our criteria.....It punishes those who did the right thing and rewards those who did not. How can there possibly be any justice there?

Ramblin' Rose, you are totally misinterpreting Obama's executive order. This has absolutely nothing to do with adults who jump the border. It has everything to do with children who have known no other country except the USA. Unless your friends or Anna K's friends are children, this would not apply to them. All adults trying to enter the country still must do so legally and wait like everyone else. Otherwise, they can and are deported when found and prosecuted. Trying to hurt these children is xenophobia at its worst.

You can keep Obama and gjc! Please tell me since you have all the answers, what happens to all the mothers and fathers of these children? Do we keep them too? This is nothing more than his corrupt way to sure up the Latino vote.

gjc and Lauren, with all due respect, do you know how ignorant and naieve your arguement is? Our borders must be block before anything reasonable can be done.

Linda, Obama approved the children only. The parents can allow legal family members or friends to care for their children or they can take their children back to their native countries. No one is saying that illegal adults should be allowed to stay under the president's executive order. A significant number of the these kids have turned 18 so they can also care for themselves. I admire anything that Mr. Obama does to ensure votes. At least he doesn't try to disenfranchise legal citizens by placing insurmountable barriers for them to vote the way some southern and midwestern states are trying to do.

Yeah just like Romney pandering to the rich or bigoted.

And you won't hear any conservative yelping about that. After all, he is always raised up as the model Republican.

Actually you are incorrect. Many people objected to that amnesty...even Reagan supporters. And Reagan said "this is a one time only amnesty" and will give Congress the time to implement rules so this never happens again. But once again, Congress failed to live up to its' obligations and we are again paying for their inability to do their job.

fyi..there is a video on youtube where Mr. Reagan said exactly the words that I quoted. There are actually several videos of him basically taking the same position...so sorry to point that out to everyone.

I didn't say that Ronald Reagan didn't say the words you quoted.....I said there was more to his statement. He said it was a one time only amnesty to give Congress the time to address the situation and correct it. Congress never did....it suited the Republicans to have cheap labor and the Democrats to have illegal votes....so here we are in the same situation with no solution..just another stopgap measure....this time by Executive Order.

Bob, Wasn't that supposed to be part of a deal to tighten our boarders? Didn't happen. So much for working with the other side.

Yes!!!

Ramblin Rose, you ramble on too much.

"Discourse" implies conversation, not one word comments. Compassion is the key here. Everyone at some point in their lives, or the lives of loved ones, needs compassion. You would have children thown back to an environment where they know no one, don't understand the language or culture and tell them to fend for themselves. Can you imagine if one of your fellow citizens did that to you or a family member in an hour of need? Has no one ever helped you during your entire life? Your lack of humanity is really very sad. You are entitled to your opinion.

We are not talking about children here. If they are getting a 2 year work visa then chances are they are adults. Obama specifically said they had to be brought here as children but they could be up to 30 years old now.

The executive order includes all children who entered the country by age 16 but are not as yet 30. Have you never heard of 16 year old kids working? So does that make them criminals?

glc, in response to you question "So does that make them criminals?" the answer is yes. They are 'illegal immigrants' by definition they are criminals. If you don't like the current laws then you should try to elect people that agree with you and change the laws the correct way. The way the current president is doing things, with executive orders, is not the way things should be done in our country.

You keep saying that congress is the problem. Have you ever stopped to think that maybe congress hasn't changed the immigration laws because they are satisfied with the current laws?

You are absolutely right Danny. This is just step #1 in the legalizing of illegals. Notice how any time politicians want to circumvent the law they refer to how "the children" will be hurt? And if you object to that, you are "heartless".
In this upside down world, right is wrong and wrong is right.

Ramblin Rose, what would like happen? Deport every illegal in the nation? who is going to pay for that? do you want to raise your taxes to have it happen? and who will do the take the low paying jobs... do you want to pay more for many services you consume.

Its real easy to see things black and white... but why don't you explain how you'll deal with all of the effects from your cause. I'd LOVE to hear it.

OK Patrick.....here are my thoughts. BEFORE you grant amnesty to anyone you make certain that you have stopped the illegal immigration. What is the point of granting amnesty while continuing to allow the influx of illegals? That is like putting sand into a bucket that has a hole in the bottom....senseless. Next Congress repeals the law that allows anyone born in the USA to become an automatic citizen. Then you look at the issue and come up with reasonable, workable solutions....work permits, etc....Why would we allow children under the age of 18 to remain without their parents? And you mention raising taxes.....well, whose taxes do you think are paying to educate & care for these families now? Do you realize there are several States that consider illegal residents of their State as eligible for in-State college tuition while an American student who lives out of State pays a much higher tuition? Who do you think is paying for the illegals' tuition? Our tax dollars. This is not a matter of dollars but since you introduced money into the discussion this is the reality.
And BTW Patrick......what is "my cause" that you refer to? Right vs.Wrong is my cause....I stand by those who abide by our laws....can't see why that is wrong.

Maybe you didn't understand the contact of what i was saying...
My question is who is going to pay to deport all the illegals? Local, State or Federal... and if its say local, how do you pay for it. In New Jersey that would mean increasing your property taxes.
The next question is, once we deport all the 'illegals' are you happy to pay more for the services and products you consume. Because that is the effect, to the cause...
As in cause and effect. get it now?
And yes if you are a resident of a state you pay less for the state college. As a resident, you live somewhere. So you are either a property owner or renter. In both situations there is property tax being paid on the property... That is unless you make it illegal for non citizens to own property in the USA... so I'm not sure what your problem is with illegals who pay taxes to live somewhere get the same benefits as a citizen in regard to in state tuition.

as for stopping the wave of illegal immigration, it has quelled. Mainly because there just aren't as many jobs in the USA... read here. http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0423/Illegal-iammigration-slows-almost-to-a-standstill

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77390.html

Patrick - - -
For your information....I have NEVER knowingly hired an illegal. I make it clear to anyone hired to do work at my home that I do not want any illegals working here because they take jobs from Americans. I will and do pay more for American labor...Again, it goes back to what is right.
And if all Americans stopped going to the local train stations to hire day laborers this wouldn't be an issue.
I do, in fact, practice what I preach!!!

Rose, you miss the point... This is the garden state... Who picks the garden? Who makes your meals almost resturants.... So while you may not hire illegals but you certainly benefit from their labor everyday. And to deny that just proves you have no idea of the big picture....

And there was no true majority ever since Obama was President. Look it up. Dems where one seat short of 60 in 2008. A true majority.

that man is nuts...

Patrick, Just because you disagree with him does not make him nuts.

No... He is nuts. In fact anyone who calls Obama a communist, or non American is nuts. You can disagree with him all you like, but when you reduce your argument to lies and believe it to be reality, by definition, that is not sane thought.

Peggy
Did you read the earlier posts? Obama had a Democratic majority in both the Senate and the House of Representatives during the first two years of his Administration and did nothing about immigration. He owned the Congress....he could have addressed this issue then but chose not to. Don't blame the Republicans for his inability to address issues....Facts speak for themselves.

I too am saddened by the knee-jerk cry of racism that is immediately suppose to put an end to all arguments. By name-calling, especially the "You're a racist because _____.(While this blank can be filled in with so many distractions, it really only need be replace with: "You are a racist because you have an opinion that differs from mine.") Aside from the fact that "Mexico" is not a race, let's accept the fact that the objection is not to the region, it is to the illegality of the initial act. This would apply to those vast numbers of illegal European, African and Asians (if we go along with your premise of region = race). Also, if we go along with that premise, then as a member of the "American" race, I find your statement that my people won't do jobs to be extremely "racist." I have held several jobs as a dishwasher and delivery worker. My wife was employed as a nanny. My college-aged son, also a member of the "American Race," is currently doing the "grunt work" your hate-filled racist remarks claim no one of our race would ever do. I also know I am not unique. Please, try to curtail this sort of "vile hate-filled rhetoric" when it comes to speaking about a group of people who, through no fault of their own, were born in this country. (cont.)

Illegals are illegal whether they come from Europe, Mexico, China, Africa...or anywhere else. You come into the Country the right way or you don't...not difficult to understand.
Why does race always enter the conversation whenever there is a scarcity of facts?

Thank you NYMIZ......excellent points...

If disagreeing with Obama makes me a racist then so be it. I don't care if they call me a racist. So far I disagree with almost everything Obama has done or said. I personally think, based on some of the things Obama has said and done, Obama is more racist than I am.

Yeah and if anyone believes that kf is not a racist (as he says, not I) then I have a bridge I want to sell to you.

gjc, I think you would be very surprised if you actually met me.

When your grandparents entered the United States, everyone, except those with communicable diseases, were allowed to enter. There was no waiting list that lasted for years. So you can't compare your ancestors with current day immigrants in that respect.

gjc when my grand parents and my in laws came to this country, it was under a quota system. they had to wait for their turn. The illegals, be they Mexican, African or whatever come here unfettered by a quota system. they all then demand equal rights of the citizens of this country. As for college for them. they should be last on any admissions list. Americans should be first.

In grumpy's America, Harvard is white. Princeton is full of kids from boarding schools, and we become Greece.

Sorry Grumpy but no quota system in America's past ever lasted as long as the immigration rates thant exist now. Now, you can drop dead before your number comes up.

Peggy, that sounds very nice, but we can't afford it either. There are many Americans that are poor. Let's help them first. Secondly, the middle class is being squeezed from all sides, how much more do you expect us to do. We're struggling to send our own kids to college.

No one is asking for anyone to support these kids. All they are asking for is an opportunity to finish school, obtain a work visa and perhaps at a later date when Congress gets off their lazy butts and enacts real immigration reform, to have the opportunity to apply for citizenship. And don't use poor American citizens as an excuse for not extending an olive branch to these kids. You know as well as I do that most people don't give a rat's behind about poor Americans which is equally as sad.

I see you believe the Leftist propaganda. Is obama's Chicago Mob afraid he will lose the election if Mickey Mouse & Donald Duck can't vote over 70x's for him in the next presidential election? Don't forget the facts. Obama has deported more illegals in 3yrs. than George Bush did in his 8yr. term. Now obama's a friend of
Latino's? Obama will do & say anything to promote his political career. I believe only American citizens should vote & only once. Anyone who doesn't have a valid ID has several months to obtain one. So another strawman bites the dust. Get real. Look at obama's record that's the real issue.

January 20, 2009

Unless you're a Native American, I guess that means you too. So go. Now.

No, I don't believe in open borders but I do expect our Congress to pass reasonable immigration legislation. They have been dragging their behinds on this and other major issues for a very long time despite the fact that they get paid oodles of money and benefits. As I said earlier, the sole goal of the Republican/Conservative/Tea Party movement is to block a second term for Mr. Obama. Gee, I never saw that as one of the responsibilities of Congress listed in the Constitution. By stonewalling, nothing gets done including immigration legislation.

I hate to give you this news flash but in today's world no one is sovereign nation. We, and all nations, are too interdependent on other nations for our lives, commodities and well being.

gjc, Why do you keep saying congress needs to pass reasonable immigration legislation. Just because you don't agree with the current system does not mean it isn't reasonable. I personally would like to see our current government enforcing the existing laws instead of picking a choosing which laws they will enforce.

Your comments raised in your most recent post were raised and answered earlier by me and others so there is no need to reitereate another response. We are a nation of laws. However, may I suggest that you tell that to your elected officials who seem to be in the news on a daily basis for one violation or another.

With all the problems they are having in France and other European nations, do you really want to compare the United States to them? I look at every new baby born here as a new resource to make us better and greater than ever before.

That is NOT true. If a child is born to non French parents in France, they have several options... at 13 the parents can ask for citizenship for the offspring, at 16 the offspring can ask, and at 18... only requirement is you lived in France for 5 years.

so not the best example.

Sorry Gigs, I have always been here. The difference between you and me is that I want to improve things. You just want to whine about things.

Sounds like English, isn't your first language....
And the love it or leave it mantra is totally UnAmerican. We are a country of rebels, we stand up for what is right. We have the power of free speech. Dissent is the real American mantra.... Time for us to embrace our differences and grow from them.

gjc, All your post seem to be more about name calling and making condescending remarks to those who disagree with you. I understand exactly what the supreme court ruling is about. Furthermore, the money one donates to a church, goes to the running of the church, as well as the programs they support, such as Manna House, Project Paul, St Vincent DePaul, food pantries etc. (all local programs), if you did that, you'd know that. Pocket change???, boy your remarks are obnoxious. When was the last time you either donated to one of the local food pantries, worked in one, or collected for them? There are several local ones around, and demand is way up these days due to the economy. When was the last time you donated to the Boys and Girls clubs? Why don't you put your money (or pocket change), where your mouth is!

I'm sorry that you were offended. No offense intended.

Ever try to get anyone to volunteer? The excuses are mind boggling.It's funny that you mentioned food pantries because that was one of several volunteer highlights for over a year. I agree that St. Vincent dePaul is also terrific. Tragically, these good organizations are few and far between. My son has volunteered for 3 years in a row to teach CCD in his church. He has hit upon hard times. He asked the church to allow his daughter to attend pre-school classes for free or reduced cost so his wife could also look for a job. He was told ,"Sorry Charlie. No can do." So much for church charitable donations.

Ever see the 60 minutes program, originally broadcast last year, where a significant number of Florida school age children were not only homeless but hungry? Why do you think that in the USA any one, especially American children should ever be hungry for any reason? How I wish we could all actually see the pennies that are thrown into church collection plates under the guise of donations. Those who do this are the same people that now want to deny children the opportunity to stay and work for a few years in the USA. As Americans, we need to do more "doing" and less yapping. Thankfully the president ahs chosen to wear the "can do" hat. Good for him.

Don, I did say it is a complex problem that needs to be dealt with. Thus far, neither political party has figured it out. I'm aware of the situation in emergency rooms and what's going on in Texas, Arizona and so on. A major problem is the criminal element that can easily slip into the country. There has to be some sort of ID to know who's out there. However, if a youngster is productive, educated and can make a positive contribution, then he or she should be given a chance. Our economic problems go deeper than that. You mention the southern states where obesity is a tremendous problem with people suffering from diabetes and other health problems from a diet heavily fried. You will be paying for their health care. We are faced with a multitude of problems in this country-wars, failure to educate our kids by eliminating many programs, etc. Again, look at the totality of our mess. Don't just be narrow in your thinking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrk1R5jUKtA

Anna K, that's a nice thing that your family came half way across the globe, and picked the USA over the UK or Canada... But the fact is that many illegals come back to lands that they once lived in. Just look a the names of cities names in the southwest... They are Spanish. So to claim that there is a magical border ... We have a state named NEW Mexico..... so why did your family pick the states over the UK? or Canada. Was it a job?

Chris, the same question can be asked of the republicans who control many of the southern state legislatures who are trying to limit the voting rights of most of their minorities who are usually Black or Hispanic. It's because they traditionally vote for democrats. By passing restrictive (and unconstitutional) laws preventing decades old registration drives and asking local election boards to cull their voting lists for fraudulent names, they are trying to intimidate a targeted group of citizens from registering and voting. The local republican officials who run those election boards, sensibly refused to do that because they say there is no voter fraud the way the legislators and governors claim there is and besides that, the order is unconstitutional in a federal election...If Obama decided to issue this executive order to allow certain qualified children of undocumented residents to remain in the US if they are productive and served in the military or are proving to be good, law abiding residents, yes, it helps him politically and in the end, it will help our country...Notice how Romney is spinning his wheels in a rut because he either is refusing to say he would repeal the order if he gets elected because he is desperate to get more Hispanic votes but if he hedges his decision, he angers his right wing supporters, like many on this forum, who want everyone deported NOW.

Marjorie...before you continue with more uninformed comments, read this:
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/obamas-record-high-deportations-draw-hispanic-scorn/

and Debra...please focus on the fact...the children that the President singled out in this order are not the people you are describing in your statement...and BTW, so what if it is politically motivated. Everything that Romney has said and then changed his mind about and then stumbled over to explain what he doesn't know is totally politically motivated because he's trying to please anyone who might vote for him. If necessary, he'll say the sun is shining at midnight if someone insists it is and then blame Obama if it isn't. (I'm not talking about the Arctic Circle where the sun shines all day long in the summer)

WRONG. If you go to France and have a child, the child can become a citizen at 13. Look it up.
are you a non native English speaker? cause your posts are very difficult to understand.

This is what you get when you drop out of school....I guarantee you that 90% of the children the President wants to provide an education for could write a more coherent sentence than you can...But, I guess having an education and being able to express yourself intelligently means you are a communist. You are certainly a credit and a good example of the others who post on this thread the same way.

Are you related to Sen. Joseph McCarthy?

Joe Mc Carthy doesn't look so nuts anymore. As far as I am concerned he was ahead on this one!

Wow, I really pity you Linda if you truly believe that. Perhaps if you had been caught up in that witch hunt that Joe started as were so many hundreds of good people, you wouldn't be so negative.

we have reality... we have the best interest of the country and its people, and not just a few and corporations... we have love of country, the entire country, not just a few that donated bigs bucks... We have the ill who where dumped from health insurance, we have the poor who are hungry, we have the underemployed who struggled with how they'll pay for college so that the next generation will better, we have the elderly who worry that the 401k and pension they paid into may be worthless or just not enough to live on, we have the LGBT families who just want to raise a family like anyone else, we have the needs and safety of those who don't want to think of a bridge or road is dangerous, we have the future generations, who might not have 3.50 gas and might pay what they do presently in the UK $10 or even more... We have the unemployed who want so badly the dignity of a job.

Liberals have tried to own these issues, tried to deal with them... whilst Conservatives have had one agenda http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-A09a_gHJc

All this from the 'smartest' President ever - real brainpower.

....on the other hand......I'm not sure those here illegally give a hoot or have one iota of concern about being "caught". They're here NOW....living under the radar....not having been caught...not having been stopped, detained, incarcerated...at all. And...in fact NJ issued photo ID's to illegals...because it's a "sanctuary state". This gave them photo ID's so that they could access medical treatment at taxpayer-funded clinics, borrow books from local libraries, cash checks and access other public services offered by the cities or counties they live in. Having been given the "keys to the city"....why would anyone here illegally be concerned about being "found out".

The government has ZERO concern about deporting these people...the snowball has grown too big...and no one wants to pay to have it pushed up the hill.